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Wednesday, August 09, 2006

American Evangelicals Consolidate Their Request for Separation from the Apostate Majority of the ECUSA

A single request for alternate primatial oversight consolidating the requests of the dioceses of Fort Worth, San Joaquin, Central Florida, South Carolina, Dallas, Pittsburgh and Springfield has been forwarded to the Archbishop of Canterbury. They wish for the Archbishop’s assistance in “disassociation from an ‘innovating’ ECUSA” and for “spiritual cover” for the seven dioceses “through re-assignment of the tasks” to Archbishop Williams that under canon law and custom fall to the Presiding Bishop.

On another front in the trouble in the ECUSA, a case has been proffered by the bishops of California, San Diego, Los Angeles and Northern California against the evangelical Bishop of San Joaquin, John-David Schofield.

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Blogger John said...

Ah - a situation where we can agree that a church is apostate....

Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:36:00 am  
Blogger Timothy Davis said...

Note that I don't state that the church is apostate, only the majority, reflected in the votes of the "supreme" church council of that Church. I would hesitate to go so far as to apply the term to the whole church,esp. when whole dioceses are trying to set up a new church.

The RC pseudo-church really is apostate. The unbelief of that body is not only enshrined in statements by a majority consenus of delegates at a church council, but also in the general belief of the constituent members.

By the way, I don't believe that the C of E is apostate. It just lacks fundamental discipline.

Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:03:00 pm  
Blogger Timothy Davis said...

P.S. Is there good reason to believe that a majority of the C of E clergy and laity do not profess those truths fundamental to salvation? (Obviously we do not know the heart, so we don't know if they're lying or not.)

I'd be interested in the answers to the following questions:

1. What profession is required when someone becomes a member of the C of E?

2. What is necessary for the clergy (deacons, priests and bishops) at ordination?

3. Is the C of I different?

Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:17:00 pm  
Blogger John said...

The C of E doesn't have a clearly defined "membership" - it's isn't really a Biblical concept. ;o)

Communion services always include the Nicene creed (Roman version - which do you use?) before the communion, and that's probably how we'd define whether to admit visitors to communion (if they asked - it's generally left to their conscience and a short explanation that it's for Christians only).

For ordination, the best thing to do is to check out the liturgies:

Friday, August 11, 2006 2:29:00 pm  
Blogger John said...

Oh, and FWIW, I'd be more than happy to go back to using the original version of the Nicene Creed (without filioque).

Friday, August 11, 2006 2:30:00 pm  
Blogger John said...


Friday, August 11, 2006 2:31:00 pm  
Blogger Timothy Davis said...


Thanks for this. (Whose Rhubarb, by the way?)

As for membership in the Church being a Biblical concept, then you may want to look here, although you probably meant more than what you said.

Friday, August 11, 2006 6:00:00 pm  
Blogger Timothy Davis said...

So they "affirm" and "declare" their "belief in the faith which is revealed in the Holy Scriptures and set forth in the catholic creeds and to which the historic formularies of the Church of England bear witness".

The "historic formularies" are defined as "the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion, The Book of Common Prayer and the Ordering of Bishops, Priests and Deacons".

Friday, August 11, 2006 6:08:00 pm  

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